Cherem was the command in various books of the OT for the Israelites to kill all living things within a conquered city, all men, women, children and livestock. See more on this here: billmuehlenberg.com/2011/03/11/on-hell/. Author Topic: Annihilationism vs Universalism (Read 6240 times) 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. But R. Kent Hughes is quite correct to say that this is “one of the most difficult texts in the New Testament. And with good reason, as the ongoing reaction to Love Wins demonstrates. Verses 50-51 say: “The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. And indeed, many Christians have experience this love and mercy first-hand throughout their lives. Instead we read that it is appointed for us to die and face judgment, and that today is the day of salvation. Readers are welcome to post comments on the material posted here, but some simple rules apply: If you are happy to abide by these rules, then by all means, send in your comments. This is a major set of teachings which Jesus gave on the Mount of Olives. And these two themes certainly go together. 24:3). He wrote a book around 400 pages teaching this. . He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Even if figurative language is being used here, it is hard to square such suffering with annihilation. If you are looking for a soapbox to promote your own views, create your own website or blog site. Derek Ouellette — April 17, 2011. At first blush it seems plausible; but the deeper you dig the more you notice how it fumbles the use of language. It is not my intention to enter into all the complexities of biblical eschatology and apocalyptic literature here. google_ad_height = 250; Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. BSB #: 733349 Account #: 613094 Annihilationism? In verses 40-41 we have this: “Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. We live in an age where we see evidence of cultural decline, the erosion of values, the decline of civility, the denial of truth and the elevation of unreason. CultureWatch is a faith ministry and I get no salary. Eternal Punishment vs. Universalism And Annihilationism John 3: 36 Charles Henry Mackintosh. Annihilationism stands in contrast to both belief in eternal torture and suffering in the lake of fire and the belief that everyone will be saved (universal reconciliation or simply "universalism"). . In the case of annihilationism, the concept is, ”Well, if I sin too much, and I don’t accept Jesus before I die, then I’ll just take a forever dirt nap.” For universalism, the argument is, “If I sin too much, and I don’t accept Jesus before I die, the Big Guy will give me another chance. And if thy hand offend thee cut it off; it better for thee to enter into Life (eternal life) maimed, than having two hands to go to hell, into the fire that shall NEVER BE QUENCHED. Hell, Hades, and the Afterlife ... Posted in: FAQs Tagged: annihilationism, conditional immortality, death and hell, eternal torment, immortality, universalism The main reason I believe in annihilationism and not universalism is the simple fact that the Bible says the unrighteous will perish , be destroyed in body and soul (Matthew 10:28), die (Romans 6:23), and be burned to ashes (2 Peter 2:6). Each of the three views: Annihilationism, Eternal Torment, and Universalism, can be thought of as one side of a triangle, each having one thing in common with one of the other views. This site is meant to express my point of view. . The belief in Annihilationism has appeared throughout Christian history and was defended by several church fathers, but it has often been in the minority. It will discuss critically and soberly where our culture is heading. Where the worms that eat them do not die and the fire is not quenched. As to the former, see here: billmuehlenberg.com/2011/03/12/against-universalism/, As to the latter, see here: billmuehlenberg.com/2014/12/04/against-annihilationism-part-one/, And here: billmuehlenberg.com/2014/12/04/against-annihilationism-part-two/. There is no idea of only one humanity. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. Off course, as you write above, that there are many many verses that speak about hell fire and the lake of fire spoken of in the book of Revelation. In these two chapters Jesus is repeatedly speaking about two basic groups of people: those who are really his, and those who are not. Comments which are simply attacks on myself, or are done in bad taste, or use rude language, or are possibly defamatory will not be posted. The whole "What happens to us after we die" question has never really kept me up at night, I'm a Christian mostly because I just want to follow Christ. Annihilationism, Universalism and the Angelic Problem. As Robert Mounce puts it, “The essential problem is that Matthew seems to move back and forth between an impending crisis (the fall of Jerusalem), and the end of the age when Jesus would return in judgment.”. Both do not like the idea that an all loving and all merciful God would punish a human being in Hell for all of eternity. 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. etc. C. H. Mackintosh. Featured The Universalist Story is Not a Realistic Story (Annihilationism vs. Universalism) Discussion in ' Controversial Christian Theology ' started by Mark Corbett , Jul 31, 2017 . It is hard to square the notion of all being saved with this idea of many being deceived. Needless to say, not everything found in the comments posted here are points of view I approve of or agree with. See this article for much more detail on this: billmuehlenberg.com/2017/06/07/two-humanities-two-destinies/, And we also have a number of references to the idea of suffering and torment – not just temporary punishment but eternal punishment. Both do not like the idea that an all loving and all merciful God would punish a human being in Hell for all of eternity. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Answer: Annihilationism is the belief that unbelievers will not experience an eternity of suffering in hell, but will instead be “extinguished” after death. These types of descriptions for the fate of the unrighteous are repeated in other verses. One to the universality of heaven's occupants, one to the duration of hell, and one to the nature of salvation. The best that I can tell, Annihilationist’ and Universalists have very similar concerns. Name: W J and A A Muehlenberg. But if we find this much clear evidence of these truths in just the Olivet Discourse, how much more so in all of the Bible? And the door was shut. google_ad_client = "ca-pub-8064619561175324"; It offers reflective and incisive commentary on a wide range of issues, helping to sort through the maze of competing opinions, worldviews, ideologies and value systems. . The first one claims that everyone will be saved while the second one claims that the lost will simply be annihilated, and not suffer endless punishment. This also clearly refers to two humanities, to two types of people, and to two destinies. Posted in: FAQs Tagged: annihilationism, conditional immortality, death and hell, eternal torment, immortality, universalism. Evangelical pastors who flirt too much with universalism should consider a new career. . Those three pieces offer plenty of scriptural support for the twin truths that not all mankind will be saved, and that hell is real and a place of eternal torment. I was thinking the other day that Annihilationism is quite in keeping with the idea of God wiping out the entire population in a flood. Some instead will grow cold. The reason for conflation may be because they are somewhat related. google_ad_height = 200; Houseologie – A Study of House of and Home. Africa (36) Apologetics (762) Theodicy (80) Article Reviews (1,397) Asia (50) Book Reviews (560) Christianity (3,277) Notable Christians (103) google_ad_slot = "5799117801"; You can’t have one without the other. We'll assume you're ok with this, but you can opt-out if you wish. google_ad_slot = "5932219409"; 24:4-5: “Jesus answered: ‘Watch out that no one deceives you. It is a logical difficulty to assert that the person who completely ceases to exist is actually the same person who is re-created. Learn how your comment data is processed. But this seems to be another clear indication of two humanities, and not just one. It closes in verses 44-46 with these words: “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”. 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